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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.21 05:28:00 -
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Lee'lei wrote:I love how everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that you can STILL make more money in highsec regardless of any Risk vs. Reward ****. I'm pretty sure that's why the sov upgrades where implemented, to allow people living in 0.0 to ACTUALLY live in 0.0, instead of PvPing in 0.0 and living in highsec running lvl4's.
We've basically gone full circle and are back to the point where 0.0 is poor as ---- on a personal (not alliance) level.
Nerf missions and buff 0.0 to a level where Risk vs. Reward is viable again, screw the value of isk, it'l balance out sooner or later.
I don't agree with this at all.
Making isk in 0.0 WAS a lot easier and happened much more rapidly than highsec. Yes, there was plenty of risk, HD's, gangs etc.
THEN came the nerf, systems got camped or too many blues and bang when the coin and I've said this repeatedly. The reward v risk got badly rolled in reverse. It got to the point I couldn't afford to go pick a fight. So I left.
Nerfing highsec is NOT going to fix the problem because it's not the cause. You have to work much harder on L4 missions to pull the same coin. There are people saying they make 40+m/hr doing L4's. I've got chars on faction standings of 9.9 (in other words I have done 100's, if not 1000's of missions), flying 750dps Tengus with Claymore support and I cannot make that kind of cash so I have no idea where they say that kind of money is coming from. You may get a mission occassionally that makes 40m/hr but it just doesn't happen enough to call it an "average"... Nowhere near it.
3m is probably best for a L4 mission. 3m in SP. 13-18 in bounties - on the good ones.
So they must be getting what, 16-20m in salvage? EVERY mission? AND it has to be done solo to get it!
No way. (Please correct me if I am wrong. Please.)
A few Sanctums and a run of well chained belts I can average 45-60m per hour. ALL DAY, EVERY DAY....
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.21 06:33:00 -
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Steelshine wrote:In my sanctum setup for two characters, I can clean one per tick, three per hour, roughly 70m/hour or 35m/account-effort. Setting up a hisec alt in a guardian doing safe incursions is more profitable and easier 
So from that we can assume that INCURSIONS may be the cause of 0.0 dropout rates?
I have nfi what kind of money they make so personally cannot comment. But I do know that L4 missions does not make anywhere near the kind of money I can make in 0.0... Ever.
I combine production with L4's on multiple chars I can get close but man, it becomes a job!
I play Eve to chillax 
/me thinks about doing Incursions...
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.21 06:42:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:The removal did exactly what it was meant to;
- Eliminated a gaping wound in the economy at the cost of a chunk (of debatable size) of the slave population (or renters if you want to be PC).
- Reintroduced the "grass is greener" concept to null, the lack of which was the direct cause of the longest slumber-party Eve has ever seen.
Why it failed at actually making a difference has more to do with CCPs ineptitude as they never did anything to change how Sov is won/lost, so the "little guy" still gets clobbered/enslaved and the fat-cats are still gaining weight ..
With the promise of iteration taking the drivers seat and large'ish changes coming before the end of the year there may still be hope though .. challenge for CCP is to make the null barons fall in-line and accept the changes that are no longer optional if Eve as a whole is to survive (ie. Sov).
I've often said, albeit tongue in cheek, that the way to solve sov is to remove "alliances" and max out corp sizes.
No it won't get rid of NAPS/NIPS but it would certainly encourage more corps into 0.0 as well as reducing the alliance strangleholds on 0.0 and create instability. I can't imagine this ever happening though. CCP would **** off a lot of people if they did although we know that even the CSM is really advocating to break the deadlock called 0.0.
Remember that CCP themselves suggested that the anom nerf would help smaller alliances get established.
Question they forgot to ask was WHERE? Everything is owned!
If anything the good systems became better defended because the ratters congregated. Whilst it was harder to make isk, it WAS easier to get a defense fleet up (usually  ).
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.21 06:45:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:White Tree is still butt hurt about the anom nerf? Get over it noob!
White Tree. A noob? lol.
EVERYONE was hurt by the anom nerf. That's what the topic is about Sofia...
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.10.21 06:52:00 -
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Vastek Non wrote:A lot of those quotes on the 40m + per hour are related to low sec pirate L4's and in specific systems and circumstances I have seen claims of higher (several hundred mill per hour). It is possible to get high isk doing L4's with main in a decent semi afk BS (Domi/Rattlesnake/HAC) and a alt salvaging, if you include Bounties, salvage, loot and LP, however its a mind numbingly bad way to earn isk compared to a decent LS L5 or Null sanctum etc 
tbh I wasn't aware that lowsec L4's paid any better than higshec L4's. Is this correct?
Even then, it's not going to be 100's m/hour? L5's can make some very serious coin but for mine, that's often riskier than hanging your ass out in a Rorqual in the centre of G^^n space 
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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